Because Christian worship is not supposed to be about you.
I don't really lose sleep over the doings of non-Christians, which this group clearly is.
One should not lose sleep, of course, but one should scold oneself for thinking "Bippity boppity boo" when one should have been thinking, "Are you a good witch or a bad witch?"
Are we really surprised at this point? I mean, it's San Francisco...
Time for Moses to come down from the mountain, the people have run amok.
Patrick,San Francisco is merely a place, like many others. If you consider this normative for SF than perhaps you would be surprised to learn that there is a church (cathedral really) in the city that is among the most conservative I have eve set foot in. The liturgy has not changed substantively in 1500 years. Women and men stand on opposite sides of the church and women are not permitted to enter wearing pants or with their heads uncovered. Yes... in San Francisco.I suspect that our pagan-Lutheran ladies here would have a stroke if they ever went there.
let me guess......fairy Tinker Bell pixie dust?
You mean Holy Virgin Cathedral on Geary? I wondered how long before the SF haters would start lol
Oh dear Lord.They aren't nearly as open and welcoming as they think. Throw some ultra-conservative Catholics in there and see how they react, lol.
@ Brian D:-)
And here I went and had my name legally changed to Jack Bull Chiles when I could have picked something like Judith Lavender Dancer.
I never know whether to take comments on these posts as serious Christian haters, snarky remarks, or "holier-than-thou" remarks. It's entertaining * disturbing at the same time, especially the judgmental statements about being or not being Christian.
Throw some "ultra-conservative Catholics" in anyplace, and it's bound to be a downer.
Definitely not in Kansas anymore!
I see we Lutherans have finally "arrived".... two posts in a row!!!
Somewhere in Germany, tremors caused by Luther spinning in his grave are being felt.
Ah, um, ohhhhhh boy. I know that G-d has a sense of humor, and that there is such a thing as solemn, holy joy, but really. At an ordination? Crozier I could understand but not a lavender wand and confetti (or flower petals?). Maybe at the reception after the ceremony ends, but not in the sanctuary or whatever they call the main worship area.LittleRed1
I think it's beyond any question that if Luther was alive today, he'd roll over in his grave.
I never know whether to take comments on these posts as serious Christian haters, snarky remarks, or "holier-than-thou" remarks. It's entertaining * disturbing at the same time, especially the judgmental statements about being or not being Christian.You never know because your are missing in important option: the comments are from reasonble Christians making understandable comments about manifestly absurd practices.
But is she a good witch or a bad witch?
Glenda the Good Witch had a pink wand. I don't recollect the Wicked Witch of the West using a wand. I don't believe serious pagans would use a pink fairy wand in a ritual, not if they were acquainted with proper wand lore.
@ Robin:Of course pagans wouldn't use a pink fairy wand; neither would Christians. How sad that this religion of clownery and tomfoolery dares to pass itself off as Christianity.
This isn't even liberal (which I claim proudly). This is just wrong, stupid, and silly.
Wanna see more that will make you urp??? Look at the "consecration" of Marianne Budde as new Episcopal Bishopess of Washington. Looks more like "Occupy Washington National Cathedral".http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/washingtons-new-episcopal-bishop/2011/11/12/gIQA86W7FN_gallery.html#photo=19
The purple fairy god mother pointed her pink star wand at the white robed ordinand and magically made a pastor. How long till midnight?
Is this the Lutheran version of "Asperges me"?
If Luther was alive today, I wonder if he wouldn't go to the Pope and ask for reconciliation.This time, the ELCA has really outdone itself! This is ELCA, right?
So many tense comments... Is it that easy to mock what must seem sacred to others? After all, what religious ceremony is anything more than adults trying to keep a straight face when talking about Santa Clause. Just don't spoil the surprise for the kids that haven't worked out the truth yet...
I am about to give the worst insult that my southern, Anglican etiquette will allow... this is taky, tasteless, and trashy.
@ Anonymous 12/12/11 1:58 AM:"After all, what religious ceremony is anything more than adults trying to keep a straight face when talking about Santa Clause."Maybe one day, when you grow up, you'll understand.
in fact, i know the priest being ordained, and she has done more for people in poverty than the whole lot of you pinched-face scolds, i'd wager.
Make fun if you want. The ministry she does puts the rest of us to shame.
@ AnonymousAnytime anyone dares call a Pharisee a viper, some other Pharisee rushes to point out how said "Holy Rabbi" out-works all us poor Christians. Keep up the "Good Works," hypocrites. By all means earn and merit your millstone.
"Make fun if you want" ... But it is she, by introducing that silly wand, who is mocking and belittling the whole idea of God.She may be a great person, a good and effective social worker. To have contined to work in that capacity would have been more honest and congruent.
She may be a great social worker, lover of the poor, and all around nice lady, but she should not be deceived, G-d cannot be mocked. And if this clown show isn't mockery, I don't know what is.
So what WAS the score of the softball game afterwards?
To the question/assumption that this was an ELCA ordination, the answer is, "Not exactly." This was an "Extraordinary Ordination" conducted by Lutheran congregations, some ELCA and some not, in the time before the ELCA approved the ordination of gay or lesbian persons in "publicly accountable lifelong monogamous same-gender relationships." So the ordination service was not under the direction of any ELCA bishop or judicatory. Since then, the pastor being ordained in this picture has been received into the ELCA and is on the clergy roster. And yes, sometimes people who do wonderful things in their ministry wear attrocious vestments or do very silly things in the church buildings.
Hello, Anonymous. I looked at all the pictures of Bp. Budde's consecration and installation and could find nothing out of the ordinary. I find it quite odd that you would say it would make people "urp".
I'll tell you what was atrocious about Bp. Budde's consecration/installation. The vestments. My eyes, they still bleed.
Agreed! In fact, I read somewhere once where Luther wrote to the pope and said he would be glad to burn Galileo at the stake if the Catholic Church wished to pass on it...
Well, as one too puerile to have attained the gnosis which you pretend to possess, I shall pray to St. Nicholas for yojr conversion.
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Christianity is not a Kiwanis Club - it is about worshipping the Lord of Creation with reverence, dignity and love. It is not about silly, syncretic nonsense which can be explained away by one being a good social worker.
Well said Anonymous 4-20-12 11:54 pmIt's about worshipping the God Who created heaven & earth as He wishes.it's NOT about "designing" a meaningful "experience" for the congregation or it's ministers.
My only experience of a Lutheran Easter vigil was just like this - only worse. Words literally fail.
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