Having been to Scandinavia and experienced Lutheran worship, I felt I could understand much better the films of Ingmar Bergman. Gray is just exactly right!
In the column of "what's up with the Scandanavians", has anyone noticed they have this odd vesture for a bishop that is a cross between a chasuble and a cope? This looks to be one of them.
If you look at some of the videos of the LCMS' installation of their new Synodical President, the African Bishop (Obare?) wears one too... it's like a chasuble with a strip cut out of the center front, and a morse installed.
As a newcomer to your blog, who has thoroughly enjoyed my visit through your archives, let me just say:
What in the ever loving hell are these people thinking? I thought vestments were to hide the sinfulness of the clergy, not to turn up the volume on it and play it at 2 AM.
I would wear gray too if I had to put up with the PC nonsense in the Scandinavian Lutheran state churches. On second thought, I probably would go straight to black vestments to make sure everybody understood...
This is very ST:TNG. The one below looks more like it came off the original Star Trek. If only the priest would turn around and let us see if he has some kind of odd ears or bumps on his face.....
Maybe it's a costume for that Klingon opera we've been hearing about?
Donna - I know the TOS episode - the one lawyer "King of Torts" Melvin Belli played Gorgan in the episode "And the Children Shall Lead". Bet TEC wishes they could have him as a lawyer now.
But even Klingons have better taste. They'd never be caught dead in these outfits.
When hats were the done thing for men and women alike, they could be used to express quite a lot of things. One and the same hat made different statements, dipending on whether the hat-brims were snapped up (or, more respectably) left as the hatter had made them, or whether the hat was worn staidly vertical or at an 'rakish' angle ...
Kenyan Lutheran Bishop Obare (who enjoys succession through the Church of Sweden) had a regular chasuble on but had a pectoral cross and chain that appeared to be a clasp... I have never seen any chasu-cope thing on anyone...
The thing about Scandinavians (actually the 'bishop' in question is a Finn) is that they tend to err too far in the direction of 'tastefulness', hence the grey. But most of the vestments on your blog would be total impossibilities in the Scandinavian Lutheran churches.
What do you mean by scandinavians? A little heads up from Norway here- no gray vestmentes are allowed. You would not see this in the Norw. state church! :)
What do you mean by scandinavians? A little heads up from Norway here- no gray vestmentes are allowed. You would not see this in the Norw. state church! :)
I attended this consecration and can point to two errors in the original post. The first has got to do with the colour of the picture - it's just simply not correct. In natural light the vestments present several, quite beautiful and subtle shades of green. And the vestment in question is a cope. ;-)
Second, Finland is better described as a Nordic country, not Scandinavian. Again I know this is subtle distinction and doesn't mean much to the rest of the world, but as a Finn I concur with the Norwegian who said pretty much the same. You wouldn't call a Scotsman English, would you? ;-)
This little porky pig won the 'make a bishop' faceoff at finland's church version of: 'are you smarter than a 5th grader?' Now she is being krowned ersatz style.
She fluffed the question about what the 'Virgin Birth' was by saying it was somewhere in the 'Creed', but it had no meaning to her in any case.
Your caption made me laff out loud. She's a joke; so here comes another 'ad hominum' abuse which she deserves anyway !
She actually looks more like Buggs Bunny when she takes off the silly hat and smiles.
What a collection of nasty spirited comments from nasty spirited people. Women priests aside, none of you know this woman or her heart. Bad attitudes trump bad vestments any day. -Hans
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At least there aren't any flames on it!
Is it the color of lutefisk?
It must be Halloween already. What the heck does she think she is doing? LOL
Meet the the Rev. Mrs. Roboto. She's married to The Tin Man.
I think it's their version of sky blue.
I rather like the color, actually, though I'd prefer it in a nice sweeping bias-cut Madeleine Vionnet gown.
The karate chop is the perfect touch.
Having been to Scandinavia and experienced Lutheran worship, I felt I could understand much better the films of Ingmar Bergman. Gray is just exactly right!
In the column of "what's up with the Scandanavians", has anyone noticed they have this odd vesture for a bishop that is a cross between a chasuble and a cope? This looks to be one of them.
If you look at some of the videos of the LCMS' installation of their new Synodical President, the African Bishop (Obare?) wears one too... it's like a chasuble with a strip cut out of the center front, and a morse installed.
What gives?
Rob+
Miters are to be worn vertically, not at a 45 degree angle. But then, when you've got a cute little curl right in the middle of your forehead...
As a newcomer to your blog, who has thoroughly enjoyed my visit through your archives, let me just say:
What in the ever loving hell are these people thinking? I thought vestments were to hide the sinfulness of the clergy, not to turn up the volume on it and play it at 2 AM.
Oh. My. God.
I would wear gray too if I had to put up with the PC nonsense in the Scandinavian Lutheran state churches. On second thought, I probably would go straight to black vestments to make sure everybody understood...
This is very ST:TNG. The one below looks more like it came off the original Star Trek. If only the priest would turn around and let us see if he has some kind of odd ears or bumps on his face.....
Maybe it's a costume for that Klingon opera we've been hearing about?
Donna - I know the TOS episode - the one lawyer "King of Torts" Melvin Belli played Gorgan in the episode "And the Children Shall Lead". Bet TEC wishes they could have him as a lawyer now.
But even Klingons have better taste. They'd never be caught dead in these outfits.
Re. Headgear worn at an angle:
When hats were the done thing for men and women alike, they could be used to express quite a lot of things. One and the same hat made different statements, dipending on whether the hat-brims were snapped up (or, more respectably) left as the hatter had made them, or whether the hat was worn staidly vertical or at an 'rakish' angle ...
Can female Lutherans be rakes?
Pompous Ass
Kenyan Lutheran Bishop Obare (who enjoys succession through the Church of Sweden) had a regular chasuble on but had a pectoral cross and chain that appeared to be a clasp... I have never seen any chasu-cope thing on anyone...
Looks like Bishop Porky Pig in black and white.
I just want to thank you for not putting up a picture of the Holy Father wearing the batik heart stole.
"Kenyan Lutheran Bishop Obare (who enjoys succession through the Church of Sweden)"
You can't confer Holy Orders on a woman any more than on a frog.
It's actually supposed to be a pale green.
The thing about Scandinavians (actually the 'bishop' in question is a Finn) is that they tend to err too far in the direction of 'tastefulness', hence the grey. But most of the vestments on your blog would be total impossibilities in the Scandinavian Lutheran churches.
Oh, and also vestment design tends to be in the hands of professional textile artists rather than people who are in touch with the liturgy.
Kenyan Bishop Obare is neither female nor Swedish but KENYAN as in Africa....
What do you mean by scandinavians? A little heads up from Norway here- no gray vestmentes are allowed. You would not see this in the Norw. state church! :)
What do you mean by scandinavians? A little heads up from Norway here- no gray vestmentes are allowed. You would not see this in the Norw. state church! :)
Like one person said before, at least there are no flames!
This is properly known as "hermaphroditic gray." I'm genuinely surprised that nobody else here called it.
Nothing scarier than asking a female priest for absolution.
It is camouflage for northern skies.
I attended this consecration and can point to two errors in the original post. The first has got to do with the colour of the picture - it's just simply not correct. In natural light the vestments present several, quite beautiful and subtle shades of green. And the vestment in question is a cope. ;-)
Second, Finland is better described as a Nordic country, not Scandinavian. Again I know this is subtle distinction and doesn't mean much to the rest of the world, but as a Finn I concur with the Norwegian who said pretty much the same. You wouldn't call a Scotsman English, would you? ;-)
This little porky pig won the
'make a bishop' faceoff at finland's church version of: 'are you smarter than a 5th grader?' Now she is being krowned ersatz style.
She fluffed the question about what the 'Virgin Birth' was by saying it was somewhere in the 'Creed', but it had no meaning to her in any case.
Your caption made me laff out loud.
She's a joke; so here comes another 'ad hominum' abuse which she deserves anyway !
She actually looks more like Buggs Bunny when she takes off the silly hat and smiles.
What a collection of nasty spirited comments from nasty spirited people. Women priests aside, none of you know this woman or her heart. Bad attitudes trump bad vestments any day. -Hans
New Scandinavian episcopal consecration. Both good and bad vestments: http://www.svenskakyrkan.se/fotoweb/Grid.fwx?dmt=902
This was designed for a liturgy for accountants: Dull does it.
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