Tuesday, July 20, 2010

PERFECT STORM

As a matter of fact, these are Episcopalians.  What gave it away?

30 comments:

Nickie Goomba said...

This looks like a 100-mitre relay.

SantoPius5th said...

What gave it away? You mean besides the fact it almost looks like a liturgical rendition of a Pride parade? :-P

benedict said...

I spy with my little eye something beginning with ..... W!

Pastor Peters said...

Speaking as a Lutheran, I always admired the tasteful dress of Episopalians and thought the new Roman Catholic supply houses had the corner on tacky... but that was 35 years ago... Now I am not so sure...

margaretkiaora said...

Love your new template.Very tasteful!

Anonymous said...

Your blog, though perhaps valid in some of its aesthetic judgment comes across as unkind to me. I wish you would try to be more specific about the principles you advocate without actually hurting people's feelings. I would be more able to understand your point of view. Your blog paints you as too unkind of a person for me to take seriously as it now is, and I am sure that is not true of you, and I think detracts from some very good points you have to make.

Dave said...

Anonymous:

Lighten up, will ya?

Pastor Peters:

Catholic vesture has actually been trending towards either tasteful/traditional (like Holy Rood Guild) or weird/tacky. Many firms offer both.

Untamed Shrew said...

It's lavender sparkle boy in the lower right--that's what gave it away!

midwestnorwegian said...

Anonymous - yeah, be gone, you have no powers here. This place is NOT inclusive.

Tory W. Sumrall said...

Is that Desmond Tutu on the far left? He's been known to rock some pretty unholy vestments from time to time, but I think this takes this cake.

Panzerfaust said...

Anon, it is not possible in this day and age of the inalienable human right to not be offended to speak one's principles specifically (if indeed they are principles) and not hurt someone's feelings.

Consider Our Lord's words, "They do all their deeds to be seen by others, For they make their phylactaries broad and their fringes long, and they love the place of honor at the feats and the best seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others." (Matthew 23:5-7)

Was that unkind?

What point of view could be more clear than 'because Christian worship is not supposed to be about you?'

Anonymous said...

Dave: Maybe I am being too serious, but I also think I have a point. I have grown so weary of Christians dis-ing each other. You know it really gets old.

Midwestnorwegian: You would like me to leave, and now I will. I do hope you don't say 'begone' to anyone who challenges your opinions. You cut off your opportunity to grow. But you can continue to come here and feel smug. Doesn't it feel great to be better than everyone else?

Panzerfaust: I believe our culture does encourage people to be over sensitive. On that I find some sympathy in what you say. And no I don't think that was unkind. I thought it was helpful. I do however think you would be able to state your principles so that I could understand them rather than just make snide comments about others. However if your arguments are mainly "ad hominem" then you are not living up to the motto yourself. You have just made it about you.

I do think this website looks like a "yea I'm right ego trip" and not anything that builds up others. But you can choose your own way of life. I am now out of here.

Anonymous said...

I think it is the bishop in the center with the crozier giving the "may the Force be with you" sign.

Anonymous said...

The two bishops in the center (the one with the crozier and the one in the gold) aren't THAT bad. But that HYOO-MUNGUSS miter precariously perched on the tiny little bishop to the far left... WOW. That's all I can say.

Christopher Johnson said...

The rationale behind this site is summed up in that phrase just below its title. When I go to worship God, I'm not even remotely interested in what you think about anything.

Your entire job as a minister of the Gospel is to direct all my attention to Him, to help me worship Him and to explain His Word. So I don't particularly care what youfind moving or symbolic.

Bad vestments, therefore, are a distraction. And anything which distracts me from the worship He is due is, in my opinion, worthy of ridicule.

Doug said...

I just have to say that this site is just awful and wonderful at the same time. Someone needed to point out the bad taste that goes on every Sunday in our Churches......and YES you are totally right it not about the celebrant!!!

Andrew said...

Actually, most of the vestments here, if taken individually, aren't so bad. Its the ridiculous cacophony of styles that makes this picture hard to look at.

The "bishop" with the crozier is wearing nice enough vestments; the golden vestments next to him are decent, as are the vestements of the man in the far right and the second from left in the foreground.

Robert Badger said...

Roman Catholics tend to have matching vestments for these sorts of occasions. Many dioceses will provide their priests with matching chasubles for major occasions like the chrism Mass plus a number of extras on hand for visiting priests and bishops. Maybe it is harder to have matching copes, given the height variations in bishops.

Many of these vestments would be fine if there were but one bishop celebrating. But all together they clash!

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Robert Badger said...

Speaking of a pride parade, the French bishops hired a major French designer to design the vestments for World Youth Day 1997. Rainbow was the colour of the day and the bishops wore colour coordinated mitres.

http://saintbrieuc-treguier.catholique.fr/spip.php?action=acceder_document&arg=5387&cle=47dcb97a8ad4e2fc0d248697b6a05aa6&file=jpg_chasubles_jmj_97.jpg

The papal vestments weren't much better, I'm afraid. They were recently on exhibition at the Cathedral of Notre Dame, although I can't imagine why.

http://www.notredamedeparis.fr/Exposition-Objets-sacres-et

Chris said...

If more of the bishops had opted for rochet and chimere (which should, IIRC, be paired with a tippet - and certainly never with a stole), that would certainly have been no bad thing.

Does anybody know what the occasion is, by the way? It would assist in judging whether quite so many bishops in copes were really required. "Is your mitre really necessary?"

Anonymous said...

Chris, it looks like this was the team introductions at the worldwide Anglican baseball All-Star Game.

Janjan said...

Looks to me like one of them mugged a Sister of Charity for her blue and white sari.

fuinseoig said...

What gave it away?

You mean besides the fact that they can't seem to agree on what liturgical season it is? Also, we have the "Geneva gown and scarf, I'll be boiled alive before I wear Papist vestments" set at the back (though in a nice colourful red rather than the usual black, I must admit).

:-)

Anonymous said...

The Bishop in gold is ++Frank Griswald who was Presiding Bishop and Primate of The Episcopal Church.

The occasion? I'm gonna guess the ordination of the Bishop holding the Crosier.

Anonymous said...

That "tiny" bishop with the humongous mitre is Desmond Tutu.

Chris said...

As I understand it, the functional rationale for wearing a mitre is so that everyone knows who is in charge. But this is ridiculous; who's ring am I supposed to kiss?

And are consecrations now held on basketball courts?

stpetric said...

@fuinseoig -- That's not a "Geneva gown and scarf" set at the back. They're wearing rochets and chimeres, which are medieval English choir vestments. As Chris pointed out, they ought to be paired with a tippet rather than a stole, but use of the stole has caught on among many low-church bishops who will only go so far with eucharistic vestments.

Sarah Dylan Breuer said...

Love the blog, but don't get this post. Is the idea that EVERY PIECE of the bishop's vestment's in this photo is tacky? That would be quite a feat to achieve even (or especially) if one asked each bishop to wear their worst. It might look nicer if every bishop were wearing similar gear, but that would cost a ridiculous amount of money AND would obscure the significance of each bishop bearing blessings from a particular diocese.

Anonymous said...

Agree with SDB on this one.

The event seems to be the consecration of Bp. Nathan Baxter of the Episcopal Diocese of Central PA back in the fall of '06. Bp. Tutu was the preacher.