Thursday, August 13, 2009

UM...NO, TRY AGAIN.

If you think that this site is nothing more than an Episcopal/Catholic beatdown, it's not. Mark Hanson, Presiding Bishop of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, actually thought that it was a good idea to conduct Christian worship dressed as illustrated. Nobody knows why.

Props to Peter.

29 comments:

Elephantschild said...

That ring of stars looks rather like the EU flag.

Creepy.

Steve Martin said...

Maybe this a prelude to the upcoming vote on the acceptance of homosexuality in the church.

The rainbowish colors and all that gay stuff seem to go together, (I've seen too many bumper stickers, maybe)

Anonymous said...

At least he's not wearing a matching mitre!

Anonymous said...

Gotta say, the homosexuals in the church that I know wouldn't be caught dead in this. We have much better style and taste. ;)

Anonymous said...

Is that a green telephone on the altar?!?

Anonymous said...

My initial thought was, "Hey, Dumbeldor trimmed his beard!"

Elijah the Tishbite said...

What are those Zs for? ZZ Top? This will put you to sleep?

Anonymous said...

This was the ELCA youth gathering, the theme of which was Jesus, Justice, and Jazz (hence the Zs) - and that green thing does look like a phone...

Anonymous said...

I WAS THERE......IT WAS BAD!

Anonymous said...

The green thing is a fiestaware pitcher.

Anonymous said...

for the record, he also wore the same chausable 3 years ago in San Antonio for the Youth Gathering there...Perhaps it is just his time after pentecost vestments and nothing more...

Jim Olson said...

What does it say when so many 'youth' liturgies are dumbed down? I constantly argue with my youth group leaders and with others in my denomination; the youth want to be taken seriously, and crave mystery and a sense of the sacred. The most popular event I do all year with them is the youth lock in, at which we hold a midnight Eucharist. It is actually much more formal and liturgical than the one I ordinarily do for their parents and grandparents on Sunday morning...and they LOVE it. We use the historic silver, I put on my best vestments (ones their parents don't like me to wear) , we chant a little (I teach it to them then and there...), they read parts of the liturgy, etc. They love it and look forward to it all year. "Dumbing it down" with goofy or no vestments, paraments, with common or 'youth' vessels, and with 'youth' liturgy is not the answer. If you teach them carefully along the way what you're doing, let them ask questions, take them seriously, and make a big deal of it, then they grow to love the liturgy and take it very, very seriously. If you goof around with it because they are 'the youth', you make a fool of yourself, and they don't take it, or you, seriously.

Bob Waters said...

The ELCA is NOT Lutheran in any theologically meaningful sense. Just sayin.'

On the other hand, it does not surprise me to see the Presiding Bishop of that outfit dressed like Merlin the Wizard. I think they're in full communion with the Druids.

Anonymous said...

I know, I've been trying to for years to get us to say more hateful things about Catholics and Calvinists so we can be Lutheran again in a thelogically meaningful sense. No one listens.

Joy said...

Correct, Bob. I left the ELCA 14 years ago and never looked back.

Anonymous said...

Bob Waters--

You initially frustrated me with your ELCA comment. Then you promptly made it all better with your Druid comment. I'm actually still laughing. Thank you sir, thank you.

Bob Waters said...

To Jesus, you mean? In ELCA, Anonymous, you're too right.

Disagreeing with somebody else and having the courage of your convictions isn't hateful. The notion that it is produces... well, the ELCA.

Rev Scott said...

Bob - if you mean the ELCA isn't Lutheran in the "closed off from anyone who doesn't toe every line on my particular platform" sense, then you're right. However, if you mean the ELCA isn't Lutheran in the "living in the tension of being simul iustus et peccator" sense, you couldn't be more wrong.

Whatever. As much as I respect my presiding bishop, that chasuble is as atrocious as they come.

wyclif said...

It's like the Knights of the Order of Malta threw up at a Gay Pride Day.

Bob Waters said...

I mean- as one who spent twelve years as an ELCA pastor- that the ELCA isn't Lutheran in the sense that the Scriptures and the Confessions have no authority, and that it's been a generation since they've significantly informed its corporate life. As we saw in Minneapolis.

The vestments fit the theology- strictly new age.

Rev. Allen Bergstrazer said...

There should be a sub category within bad vestments: "Somebody (wife/mom/quilting ladies) made this for me and I have to wear it."

Anyone been there?

Anonymous said...

I'm pretty sure, knowing a bit about Hanson and a lot more about the ELCA, that he special ordered it, as a "subtle" statement of soldarity with our newly affirmed gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered members.

My "bound conscience" tells me that this silly display is just one more reason that we no longer are a part of the ELCA. We have been delivered!!

melissa said...

Wow, no anger or hostility here...

He wore it at the ELCA Youth Gathering at our closing worship which, by the way, was in no way watered down or dumbed down for the youth's sake. He wore the extremely Mardi Gras-esque chasabule because we were in New Orleans and our theme for the week was Jesus, Justice, Jazz.

As to all of the intentionally mean and unbelievably closed-minded comments about the ELCA, sure, you're entitled to your opinion, but spewing misinformation and anger and hate is hardly the adult or Christian thing to do.

So seriously guys, laugh at the funny vestments, but knock it off with the ridiculous and offensive theological assertions.

Anonymous said...

Mark Hanson actually does not particularly like this chasuble but, like most heads of churches, he simply wears what others (in this case, someone from a Youth Gathering committee) puts on him.

Scott Weidler
ELCA Associate Dirctor for Worship & Music

Steve said...

Melissa,
I find it amusing that as soon as someone points out the obvious degradation of scriptural and confessional authority in the ELCA, some ELCA-loyalist comes along and accuses said person of spewing misinformation and hate. That is hardly inclusive. That is harldy loving, especially when the person actually said nothing hateful nor spread any misinformation. You may not agree with what he said, but that does not qualify what he said as misinformation. Actually, that being the case, it would be more accurate to say that you were the one guilty of spreading misinformation.

Anonymous said...

Hey, now. The knights of Malta have a very lovely habit, especially the knights of justice (the religious order at their center). Comparing this to that is entirely unfair to them.

Michael said...

Have anyone of you looked through the rest of these photos? The clergy of other denominations are looking ridiculous as well. So are you saying that the Episcopalians, Presbyterians and other clergy members of other denominations are "dumbing down" the liturgy for their people or making a mockery of their Confessions and the Scripture? Not everyone believes everything of one denomination. I for one do not agree with all of the ELCA's policies but I am still a member of an ELCA congregation. Because of people's ignorance and hate (by hate, I do mean that), I was run out of my church of twenty-five years by members who had been there not even five years. So when you want to say that the ELCA is not abiding with the scriptures and Confessions, let's turn the table to those who are a part of Lutheran CORE and the NALC who have been hateful and ignorant to the fact that they have split families (biological and religious) as well as communities. So let's all get along and be friends. After all, don't we all worship one God, one Savior? Last time I checked, we did.

-Michael

Dan said...

I wish more ELCA members would know what the ELCA is teaching. -http://www.exposingtheelca.com

Anonymous said...

Mark Hanson has been wrong on a great many things. This hideous vestment is one of them.